Якоря-"скобки". Масштаб повторов.
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Initial Experiments Investigating the Nature of Hypnosis. Milton H. Erickson. Reprinted with permission from The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, October, 1964, 7, 152-162.
...You should expect to make errors in getting each step in the right order, and you will have to pause and think back just as you would in trying to think the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward, and it is only reasonable that you will make mistakes and have to go back and start over again... .
http://fromfrogs.livejournal.com/6623.html?thread=134623#t134623
--Не знаю как перевести корректно это предложение
--по смыслу можно заменить как-то так: Вам следует ожидать СОВЕРШЕНИЯ ошибок в ИСПОЛНЕНИИ каждого шага в правильном порядке...
Но, в переводе этого предложения стоит обратить внимание/вспомнить о так называемых якорях-"скобках". Ранее, мы о них уже писали, только называли несколько иначе:
57 Модели Якорей
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You(1) should(2) expect to make(3) errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4) and(6) have(8) to go back(10) and(6) start over again... .
You - (Should - would) - Make - (Errors - mistakes) - In - And - Will - Have - Think - (Back - backward)
You
(a) You(1) should(2) expect to make(3) errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1)
(б) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1)
(в) you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1)
Should - would
should(2) expect to make(3) errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2)
Make
make(3) errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3)
Errors - mistakes
errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4)
In
(а) in(5) getting each step in(5)
(б) in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5)
And
(а) and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6)
(б) and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6)
(в) and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4) and(6)
Will
will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7)
Have
have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4) and(6) have(8)
Think
think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9)
Back - backward
(а) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10)
(б) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4) and(6) have(8) to go back(10)
You
(a) You(1) should(2) expect to make(3) errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1)
(б) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1)
(в) you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1)
Should - would
should(2) expect to make(3) errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2)
Make
make(3) errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3)
Errors - mistakes
errors(4) in(5) getting each step in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4)
In
(а) in(5) getting each step in(5)
(б) in(5) the right order, and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5)
And
(а) and(6) you(1) will(7) have(8) to pause and(6)
(б) and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6)
(в) and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4) and(6)
Will
will(7) have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7)
Have
have(8) to pause and(6) think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4) and(6) have(8)
Think
think(9) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9)
Back - backward
(а) back(10) just as you(1) would(2) in(5) trying to think(9) the alphabet (or the nursery rhyme) backward(10)
(б) backward(10), and(6) it is only reasonable that you(1) will(7) make(3) mistakes(4) and(6) have(8) to go back(10)
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Re: You - (Should - would) - Make - (Errors - mistakes) - In - And - Will - Have - Think - Back - ba
Я заметил такую/похожую структуру построения предложений, когда восстанавливал абзацную структуру "Изменяемся в семьями". Для меня это показалось интересным.
И многие предложения в рассматриваемой статье Эриксона имеют именно такую/похожую структуру.
И многие предложения в рассматриваемой статье Эриксона имеют именно такую/похожую структуру.
Да, и вот тогда возникает вопрос:
--а как это воспроизвести в переводе?
--а как это изображать/экспрессировать в свободном полете по-нашенски? Как этому навыку тренироваться?
--а как это воспроизвести в переводе?
--а как это изображать/экспрессировать в свободном полете по-нашенски? Как этому навыку тренироваться?
А какие у вас варианты есть?
Ну, в данном случае, речь идет не о переводе. В данном случае надо искать русский общий смысловой эквивалент.
Вам следует ожидать совершения ошибок в выполнении каждого шага в правильном порядке, и вы должны будете приостановиться и мысленно вернуться, точно также как вы бы пытались это сделать, продумывания алфавит (или детский стишок) в обратном порядке, и единственно разумно то, что вы будете совершать ошибки и должны будете вернуться назад и начать заново.
http://fromfrogs.livejournal.com/6623.html?thread=135135#t135135
Now as I talk and I can do so comfortably, I wish that you will listen to me comfortably as I talk about a tomato plant.
Now as I talk and I can do so comfortably, I wish that you will listen to me comfortably as I talk about a tomato plant.
Now (1)as (2)I (3)talk and (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as (2)I (3)talk about a tomato plant.
As
(1)as (2)I (3)talk and (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as
I
(2)I (3)talk and (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as (2)I
• (2)I (3)talk and (2)I
• (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I
• (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as (2)I
Talk
(3)talk and (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as (2)I (3)talk
Comfortably
(4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably
Now (1)as (2)I (3)talk and (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as (2)I (3)talk about a tomato plant.
As
(1)as (2)I (3)talk and (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as
I
(2)I (3)talk and (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as (2)I
• (2)I (3)talk and (2)I
• (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I
• (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as (2)I
Talk
(3)talk and (2)I can do so (4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably (1)as (2)I (3)talk
Comfortably
(4)comfortably, (2)I wish that you will listen to me (4)comfortably
офф. заголовок с непонятными символами уже не исправить? Ошибку при синхронизации выдает.
Иногда их удается исправить. Иногда нет - ежели на реплику дан ответ, то она блокируется от исправлений.
В данном случае исправил.
В данном случае исправил.
Спасибо