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1. Инвариантное моделирование Spinning World | metanymous | ||||
Холигрэл Ковчег ракурсов | immergent | ||||
Рекомендации для НЛП-сообщества. | |||||
Рекомендации для НЛП-сообщества. | immergent | ||||
Re: Бейтсон, Коржибский, Эриксон | immergent | ||||
Прежде чем интегрировать НЛП, - его надо обкоцать | metanymous |
"Evolving Consciousness, Evolving NLP: It's time to realize that NLP is a “multiple model” model, which has users who are interested in correspondences with other multiple model models, especially Spiral Dynamics and Ken Wilber's 4 Quadrant Model. As these are all autonomous models, as are the individuals and organizations they describe, there are cybernetic conditions between them.Коллеги, одним словом, только говорят на английском :)
This suggests the need for ‘wellformedness’ conditions for combining autonomous models (Bateson, Manturana & Varela).
1. Make sure there is a sensory-based description.
2. Seek the cybernetic complementarity in (so called) cause-effects.
3. Remember that nominalizations are terms of relationship, not characteristics.
4. We do NLP to seek to discover how the processes could work.
This suggests the next areas of NLP modelling are the structure of generalization and cybernetics: scope, category, context and recursiveness.
An example modelling the structure of an expectations and how recursive processes could create levels of consciousness corresponding to Wilber's model was offered."
"NLP began with a modelling of individual experience. This is a strength that has become an unacknowledged weakness. Research in aggregate behavior, sociology of knowledge, and semiotics indicate phenomena beyond every individual that affects experience as much as his/her interior modalities or frames. A group experiment showed that individual choices can quickly aggregate into an undesired state.
A case was made for the Nash Equilibrium. (See A Beautiful Mind.) Then NLP adverts were analyzed in terms of their unconsciously chosen modernist mind set and value to client - helping them fit in. Finally, a demonstration of Bateson's cybernetic complementarities was attempted. The difficulty demonstrated how cybernetic thinking and acting are still in their infancy in NLP. A program was proposed. Each example makes the case there is a world beyond the individual, that can be modelled, and that it is time to go there and do it."
"The Presuppositions of NLP at Different Levels of Spiral Dynamics
Steve Saunders has proposed a revised model of Spiral Dynamics that better maps higher levels of consciousness, and accounts for the mapping the micro-levels of first-tier consciousness into each of the higher levels. Steve is now working towards a set of presuppositions for each level of the spiral. This tailors the appropriate NLP starting point for each level."
The author of this report has spent the last 25 years in studying and teaching a fledgling cognitive science called neuro-linguistic programming, generally defined as "the study of the structure of subjective experience." NLP is a modeler's discipline, oriented toward producing epistemological models of competence, rather than a theoretical knowledge base. Hence it is not surprising that many of the people popularizing Wilber’s "models of models" come from the NLP community, or knowledge workers in think tanks, artificial intelligence, or other innovators of cognitive technology.Так что все ОК: мы в ОпенМете никуда еще не отстали, заграница нам не поможет -- потому как практически нечем там пока помогать. Что же, счастья им. Они там такие же беспокойные, как и мы. Только быстрее все превращают в коммерческие продукты :)
For the past 20 years I have been living in Paris while co-directing an NLP institute . There are around 250 institutes world-wide that formally teach NLP certification programs. Many other professional training organizations also teach NLP; in 1996, an official guide to business training companies in France alone listed 330 enterprises that say they teach some form or another of NLP. My colleagues in America, Europe, Japan, Hong Kong, Australia, and Bali have been instrumental in directing me toward those using the IV distinctions in their work.
NLP is for me a user-friendly tool for creating threshold experiences that can direct people toward recognizing and transcending holons. But as a field it is woefully naive about most of the nine fulcrums of awareness and development and spends more of it's energy toward translating solutions rather than transcending and including levels of experience. Myself, included. My work in teaching, therapy, and consulting deals mostly with interface solutions; how to get people moving toward the discovery of self, while dealing with garden-variety dukkha, frustration, suffering, and the inevitable tragedies and delights of life.
Most of the applications I have encountered deal with using the KW as a tool for creating and verifying models of experience. Some, happily are dancing on the frontier of translation and transcendence, and often give students, clients and colleagues the opportunity to make transformative leaps of personal evolution. But success, as in any enlightenment endeavor, is rare.
I hope that colleagues like Robert McDonald, James Lawley and Penny Tompkins, Peter McNab, Marilyn Atkinson and Wyatt Woodsmall and I might be able to blaze some trails in that direction, but I certainly haven't had more than a few examples of clients that have made significant spiritual transformations through NLP at this time.
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