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Это совместная Эриксон - Росси статья о собственном трансовом опыте Э. Ну т.е. Росси спрашивает, а Э. описывает. Вот там он и привел этот совершенно неожиданный и фантастический пример/опыт. Причем, термин "нирвана" он употребил сам. У меня был давний перевод этой статьи. Но несколько последовательных переездов нашей э-библиотеки разбросали бумаги между адресами... обязательно найду. Надо еще вспомнить откуда эта статья.
NIRVANA OR AUTOHYPNOSIS AS A DISSOCIATION FROM ALL SENSE MODALITIES
On one occasion Erickson was doing some experimental work with K on stopped vision
(Erickson, 1967), wherein she experienced being in “the middle of nowhere.” Erickson
recalled the following:
E: I was in the backyard a year ago in the summertime. I was, wondering what
far-out experiences I’d like to have. As I puzzled over that, I noticed that I was
sitting out in the middle of nowhere. I was an object in space.
K: There you have it: the middle of nowhere.
E: I was just an object in space. Of all the buildings I couldn’t see an outline. I
couldn’t see the chair in which I was sitting; in fact, I couldn’t feel it.
R: You spontaneously experienced that vision?
E: It was the most far-out thing I could do!
R: That was the most far-out thing you could do?
E: You can’t get more far-out than that!
R: It just happened to you as you were wondering about what you could do?
E: Yes.
R: An unconscious responding?
E: And that was my unconscious’ full response.
R: I see; you can’t get more far-out than that.
E: What more far-out could happen?
K: You were just floating or just a nothingness?
E: I was just an object and all alone with me was an empty void. No buildings,
earth, stars, sun.
K: What emotions did you experience? Did you——curiosity or fear or
apprehension?
E: It was one of the most pleasing experiences. What is this? Tremendous
comfort. I knew that I was doing something far-out. And I was really doing it!
And what greater joy is there than doing what you want to do? Inside the stars, the
planets, the beaches. I couldn’t feel the weight. I couldn’t feel the earth. No matter
how much I pushed down my feet, I couldn’t feel anything.
R: That sounds like a spontaneous experience of nirvana or samadhi wherein
Indian yogis say they experience “the void.” You feel that is so?
E: Yes. The far-out experience of negating all reality-related stimuli. R: That’s
what the yogis train themselves to do.
E: Yes, just negating the stimuli from the reality objects.
K: You found that pleasurable?
E: I always find when I can do something, it’s pleasurable.
On one occasion Erickson was doing some experimental work with K on stopped vision
(Erickson, 1967), wherein she experienced being in “the middle of nowhere.” Erickson
recalled the following:
E: I was in the backyard a year ago in the summertime. I was, wondering what
far-out experiences I’d like to have. As I puzzled over that, I noticed that I was
sitting out in the middle of nowhere. I was an object in space.
K: There you have it: the middle of nowhere.
E: I was just an object in space. Of all the buildings I couldn’t see an outline. I
couldn’t see the chair in which I was sitting; in fact, I couldn’t feel it.
R: You spontaneously experienced that vision?
E: It was the most far-out thing I could do!
R: That was the most far-out thing you could do?
E: You can’t get more far-out than that!
R: It just happened to you as you were wondering about what you could do?
E: Yes.
R: An unconscious responding?
E: And that was my unconscious’ full response.
R: I see; you can’t get more far-out than that.
E: What more far-out could happen?
K: You were just floating or just a nothingness?
E: I was just an object and all alone with me was an empty void. No buildings,
earth, stars, sun.
K: What emotions did you experience? Did you——curiosity or fear or
apprehension?
E: It was one of the most pleasing experiences. What is this? Tremendous
comfort. I knew that I was doing something far-out. And I was really doing it!
And what greater joy is there than doing what you want to do? Inside the stars, the
planets, the beaches. I couldn’t feel the weight. I couldn’t feel the earth. No matter
how much I pushed down my feet, I couldn’t feel anything.
R: That sounds like a spontaneous experience of nirvana or samadhi wherein
Indian yogis say they experience “the void.” You feel that is so?
E: Yes. The far-out experience of negating all reality-related stimuli. R: That’s
what the yogis train themselves to do.
E: Yes, just negating the stimuli from the reality objects.
K: You found that pleasurable?
E: I always find when I can do something, it’s pleasurable.
Autohypnotic Experiences of Milton H. Erickson
Milton H. Erickson and Ernest L. Rossi
Reprinted with permission from The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, July. 1977,
20, 36-54
AUTOHYPNOSIS IN LIFE CRISIS
UTILIZING REAL SENSE MEMORIES RATHER THAN IMAGINATION
EARLY TRAINING IN DREAM AND SOMNAMBULISTIC ACTIVITY
AUTOHYPNOSIS IN IDENTITY CRISIS
AUTOHYPNOSIS DURING EXPERIMENTAL AND CLINICAL
TRANCE WORK
THE CONSCIOUS AND UNCONSCIOUS IN AUTOHYPNOSIS
AUTOHYPNOSIS FOR PAIN RELIEF: THE SEGMENTALIZED
TRANCE
DISTRACTION, DISPLACEMENT, AND REINTERPRETATION OF
PAIN
UTILIZING EARLY MEMORIES TO REPLACE CURRENT PAIN
THE WOUNDED PHYSICIAN
THE PROBLEM OF FEAR IN AUTOHYPNOSIS: THE
NATURALISTIC APPROACH TO AUTOHYPNOSIS
BEHAVIORAL ENRICHMENT IN AUTOHYPNOSI
SELF-NALYSIS AND MEMORIES IN AUTOHYPNOSIS: THE
IMPORTANCE OF FORGETTING AND NOT KNOWING
NIRVANA OR AUTOHYPNOSIS AS A DISSOCIATION FROM ALL
SENSE MODALITIES
DISCUSSION
Milton H. Erickson and Ernest L. Rossi
Reprinted with permission from The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, July. 1977,
20, 36-54
AUTOHYPNOSIS IN LIFE CRISIS
UTILIZING REAL SENSE MEMORIES RATHER THAN IMAGINATION
EARLY TRAINING IN DREAM AND SOMNAMBULISTIC ACTIVITY
AUTOHYPNOSIS IN IDENTITY CRISIS
AUTOHYPNOSIS DURING EXPERIMENTAL AND CLINICAL
TRANCE WORK
THE CONSCIOUS AND UNCONSCIOUS IN AUTOHYPNOSIS
AUTOHYPNOSIS FOR PAIN RELIEF: THE SEGMENTALIZED
TRANCE
DISTRACTION, DISPLACEMENT, AND REINTERPRETATION OF
PAIN
UTILIZING EARLY MEMORIES TO REPLACE CURRENT PAIN
THE WOUNDED PHYSICIAN
THE PROBLEM OF FEAR IN AUTOHYPNOSIS: THE
NATURALISTIC APPROACH TO AUTOHYPNOSIS
BEHAVIORAL ENRICHMENT IN AUTOHYPNOSI
SELF-NALYSIS AND MEMORIES IN AUTOHYPNOSIS: THE
IMPORTANCE OF FORGETTING AND NOT KNOWING
NIRVANA OR AUTOHYPNOSIS AS A DISSOCIATION FROM ALL
SENSE MODALITIES
DISCUSSION
>Причем, термин "нирвана" он употребил сам.
Из приведенного отрывка следует, что это термин Росси.
Из приведенного отрывка следует, что это термин Росси.
Так вот он где этот автогипноз!
Не далее как сегодня утром, перед пробуждением, нашел себя читающим себе индукцию...
Не далее как сегодня утром, перед пробуждением, нашел себя читающим себе индукцию...
-->Причем, термин "нирвана" он употребил сам.
--Из приведенного отрывка следует, что это термин Росси.
Ну из других источников я слышал, что Э. этот опыт сам всегда называл нирваной. Ну а Р. эээ всегда довольно произвольно помещал/редактировал объем своих записей бесед с Э. По этой совокупности я и утверждаю, что Э. сам определял это опыт как "нирвана".
--Из приведенного отрывка следует, что это термин Росси.
Ну из других источников я слышал, что Э. этот опыт сам всегда называл нирваной. Ну а Р. эээ всегда довольно произвольно помещал/редактировал объем своих записей бесед с Э. По этой совокупности я и утверждаю, что Э. сам определял это опыт как "нирвана".