Ты в этих вопросах ставишь акцент больше на якорение?

Или на процессы предугадывания-удачливости?

Существуют оптические иллюзии, когда на статичной картинке человек видит движение. Возникают они потому, что так устроена сетчатка нашего глаза, наша зрительная система, наш мозг. Мы можем его обмануть, создавая иллюзорное движение, которого на самом деле не существует.

Какая странная навязчивая идея некоего «обмана» нашего мозга. Кто собирается обманывать мозг? С какими благородными целями?

Обычно мы вспоминаем о нашем мозге, когда чувствуем себя плохо: например, ощущаем боль в голове, или хочется еще одну чашечку кофе, или вдруг начинаем забывать какую-то информацию.

Другая странная идея – думать о собственном мозге неким отчуждённым способом. Неважно, при каких обстоятельствах. Плохо ли хорошо мы себя чувствуем.

На самом деле это заместительная идея, косвенно вводящая дуальную структуру психики с сознанием и чем-то ещё вне сознания.

Понимание, как работает наш мозг, открывает для нас новые перспективы в осознании окружающей среды, наших взаимоотношений с ней, новые технологии.

Нейробиология и нейротехнология основываются на простой мысли, которая зачастую вызывает аллергию у гуманитариев: мы, наши мысли — не более чем активность нейронов.

Понимание того как работает наш мозг ни на грамм, не открывает нам перспектив в осознании окружающей среды. Ибо осознание среды есть процессы другого логического уровня, нежели нейрология мозга.

Но, нейрология мозга является управляющей/внушающей метафорой настройки восприятия и других мозговых процессов.

Таким образом, знание нейрологии мозга, примененное неправильным путём является формой обмана/самообмана. Потому, что такое знание может формировать некие наведенные изменения в реальном функционировании мозга. Так что такие наведенные изменения будут похожи на иллюзии восприятия.

Иллюзии восприятия реальны, но в практическом смысле они бессмысленны или неэкологичны, как это называл Грегори Бейтсон.

Модели преодоления Homunculus Trap
http://stengineeringth.livejournal.com/1223.html

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http://metapractice.livejournal.com/470893.html?thread=12169837#t12169837

Оригинал про часть-хищник из "Persuation engineering"
http://metapractice.livejournal.com/327236.html?thread=8424772#t8424772

Перечитал после большой паузы времени эту твою реплику.

Всё понял :)

А вот возразить нечего! Типа сижу и думаю как всё здорово. :)

--Правда, за определенным порогом картинки всё равно не грузятся. Кажется, это не зависит от сайта.
--Хм. Исправлю - просто придется добавить руками в самой записи миниатюру-картинку, типа как пояснительная картинка, когда тема не развернута(как сейчас на первой странице).

Когда будет время.

Сейчас уже и не помню - картинки в темах начали использоваться систематично где-то с 2008 года.

Вот, с первой ссылки начинается отдельное нераскрытие. А с последней - систематическое.

2014-08-03 06:06 pm (UTC)
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2014-06-24 03:30 pm (UTC)
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2014-04-06 06:06 pm (UTC)
http://metapractica.ru/soobshhestvo-metapraktik/refreyming-38-stiranie-chasti-2.html

Steve: Interesting. Again this may be the spinning of the words they are saying to themselves, in contrast to the path of the resulting feeling — something to explore further.

Rob: I have found that spinning the feeling and resolving the negative mantra has been highly effective in treating most anxieties and phobias, especially when the client has no awareness of a precipitating event for such anxiety or phobias.

Steve: I think there is probably seldom a precipitating event in anxiety; that it is a cumulative generalization based on repeatedly hearing parents or other adults saying things like, “Watch out!” in a high pitched, rapid “urgent” voice in contexts of danger. The urgent tonality is something that is learned unconsciously, and tends to remain unconscious unless attended to.

Rob: When the person does report a precipitating event such as an auto accident etc. I will use the movie theater phobia cure to deal with that specific event.

Steve: Sounds good; that is probably actually a separate process, but easy for a client to confuse with anxiety.

Rob: I don’t use any formal hypnosis in any of the steps. I used to add a brief relaxation exercise that had elements of trance when resolving the negative mantra, to create a relaxed state, but found I don’t need to do that.

With regard to spinning a feeling, the best experience was just after I had seen you demonstrate it. I was conducting a coach training and was waiting with a couple of participants for the rest of the group to return from an exercise. I took just a couple of minutes to demonstrate and have them experience spinning an anxious feeling, and then the rest of the group arrived and we went on to other things.

One of the people who had done the brief exercise had to have an MRI several months later and he realized as he was being prepped to go into the tunnel that he was claustrophobic and began to get quite anxious, at which point he remembered what he had done in the exercise and spun his anxiety in the opposite direction; the anxiety disappeared and he was able to comfortably have the MRI.

Steve: Others have reported successfully using the spinning feelings process for something that we would usually classify as a phobia. Again this would be something to explore further, to find out if spinning feelings is a valid alternative method for a phobia, or if some apparent phobias actually have the structure of anxiety.

Further Resources:
Spinning Feelings and Voice Tempo Shift methods, from Nick Kemp

http://realpeoplepress.com/blog/some-great-new-methods

The PTSD Training – a complete online course in effective methods for resolving the many aspects of Complex PTSD. Includes instruction and demo of Spinning Feelings.

http://steveandreasptsdtraining.com/membership-signup/

Releasing PTSD: The Client sessions – a complete demonstration of working with a client with PTSD. Includes demo of Spinning Feelings.

http://releasingptsd.com/membership-signup/

Steve: I suggest you try adding sparkles; most people love it. In that Winter Park...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9dDsn1Ka9g

...demonstration you mentioned, I deliberately left out sparkles, because she described the anxiety feeling as being like “fireworks” which often includes sparkles, and I didn’t want to say anything that might describe the problem state. Of course someone could always have a problematic response to sparkles; hopefully they would express this, either verbally or nonverbally, so one could adjust.

Rob: My usual approach though is to follow it with, “What do you have to hear to be anxious?” which I call a negative mantra that evokes the anxiety. I resolve it as I would a critical voice, or using a visual version of Nick Kemp’s tempo shift.

http://realpeoplepress.com/blog/some-great-new-methods

With regard to the spinning, after intervening I have asked people more details about the direction of the spinning. Some report that the feeling was corkscrewing along the path, others that it is a loop, as Bandler suggests. It doesn’t seem to matter how the spinning is occurring. It is enough that they know and they can spin it the other way. I’ve found that trying to determine all that during the session just creates confusion and is irrelevant, I just need to know that the client knows their experience.

Steve: Interesting. Again, I like to know which it is out of my own curiosity — and haven’t found it creates confusion. But I have been assuming that it corkscrews along the path. I’ll try your way and see what I find.

When my client in the video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXNRdASZTk0

... is talking about what she says to herself, over and over again, she rotates her hands in a vertical closed loop in front of her at 3:57. So it may be that clients represent the spinning of the words in a closed loop, but the spinning of the feeling in response to the words spirals along a path that isn’t a closed loop. If this is so, it might resolve the apparent discrepancy between different reports that I pointed out in my previous post.

Rob: My own reflection on why it works is that many people, when anxious, report they are “spinning out of control” or some other description that includes spinning. People who are in a panic will often flap their hands (“in a bit of a flap”) and their hands flap in a slight circle. As an experiment in a couple of cases I have asked someone to “flap anxiously,” watch what direction their hands were flapping, and then ask them to flap them in the other direction. Instantly the anxiety feeling dissipates. So if your world is spinning out of control just spin it the other way.